Saturday, October 16, 2004

A blog is a blog is a blog

Dear Mouse,

Sylvia Mayuga wrote :

“This is why I took care to say that ‘Talking Points’ was a ‘column’ and was ‘much like a weblog’ as I was aware that it could not be considered a weblog in the sense used by some bloggers. I would agree with some of the bloggers that ‘Talking Points’ is a ‘letters to the editor’ section and akin to a ‘moderated online forum.’ But I would also argue that it is a valid form of blog, one of a multitude of variants, and the variant that most suits our needs at the moment.”

She admitted that it is more of a moderated forum but she argued that TP is still a blog. In as much as she used Wikipedia as her source, I would like to direct her to the same encyclopedia that defines the difference between a weblog and an internet forum. It states that :

“Internet forums differ from weblogs. The former generally allow most users to post topics (sometimes referred to as "threads"), while blogs only allow one or a few users to create entries. Forums also tend to be more diversified in interest, while blogs tend to be more specific to a certain topic or subset of beliefs.

Where is the logic?

Sylvia Mayuga wrote:

“This is the first sentence of the definition on Wikipedia: ‘A weblog, or simply a blog, is a web application which contains periodic, reverse chronologically ordered posts on a common webpage.’“I think you would agree that if this definition were used as a basis, ‘Talking Points’ could be considered a blog.

I beg to disagree. If she believes that Talking Points is a blog because it is a type of web application then her reasoning seems way out of logic.

Following her frame of mind,I can draw these hypotheses:

All blogs are web applications

Talking Points is a web application

Therefore Talking Points is a blog.

The conclusion is null and void. Blogs are not the only the types of web application. Webmail, and eBay are well known examples of web applications but they are not blogs.

If she thinks it is a blog because it is a web page , she should check her source of definition of what a blog is--the wikipedia that explains what a webpage is.

"Usually a webpage has a URL and therefore allows deep linking. Sometimes it has only a temporary URL referring to a cache area. Sometimes a page results from a webpage by some action, e.g. replacing the content of one of the frames, while the new page does not have its own URL. Perhaps such a page, as well as a page with a form field filled in, strictly can not be called a webpage, because it is not on the web, but created from what is on the web.

I searched for Talking Points in the web, I could not find it. It is just a page in a webpage.

But what really is a blog?

According to Wikipedia: The shorter version, "blog," was coined by Peter Merholz who in April or May of 1999 broke the word weblog into the phrase "wee' blog" in the sidebar of his weblog. This was interpreted as a short form of the noun and also as a verb, to blog, meaning "to edit one's weblog or a post to one's weblog."

I post and edit my weblog. Mine is a blog.

Can Sylvia Mayuga do the same for Talking Points ?

Sylvia Mayuga wrote:

“If you have the right to express yourself, why limit other's rights? Why exclude ‘traditional’ media. Who is being biased here?

Can you ignore your publisher, your editor-in-chief and your several editors to be able to express yourself?

If you can answer this with a YES, I will agree that your Talking Points is a blog.

The Ca t


At 8:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Galing ng argument mo Ca T! Sinagot mo punto por punto ang mga "talking points" ni Sylvia Mayuga.

I have great respect for the Inquirer, but with the way they defend Talking Points, they seems to be making a fool of themselves!

Doc Rod

At 3:53 AM, Blogger rolly said...

Amen! Well done Ca t. I read the same article this morning and was amused. I don't think they'll get it, though. They refuse to. Enough said. Let them be, I say.

At 3:59 AM, Blogger marvin said...

Bravo CAT! Bravo! Miyawwww! Ha ha ha. These guys still don't get it. Time was when the Inquirer was the only newspaper that I trusted. Now, I don't trust any newspaper. I trust only individual writers-- Conrad de Quiros, Isagani Cruz, Manolo Quezon, -- and bloggers -- Sassy Lawyer, Dean Jorge Bocobo and the rest of the gang. The establishment must realize that the internet age is the age of the individual, and blogging is all about individuality -- the unique unadulterated voice of the individual somewhere in the mass of humanity.

Wake up INQ7.NET! You are the establishment. And we, bloggers, are the alternative. Don't pretend to be us. We won't pretend to be you. Live. With. It.

At 7:47 AM, Blogger cathcath said...

Salamat mga ginoo. Malaking karangalan sa Pusa ang makatanggap ng inyong pagkilala sa aking sinulat.
Mabuhay tayong mga bloggers. Meow.

At 8:37 AM, Blogger Sassy Lawyer said...

Logic pa lang, bagsak na sya.

Articulateness, talo sya.

We Pinoy bloggers have indeed arrived. :)

At 12:30 PM, Blogger The Pageman said...

hi cat,
excellent logic.
and they got it in reverse.
andrew sullivan WAS part of the mainstream
and became a blogger. Because of this he was
able to express things he would normally not
put it on a column.
now they're saying that we are influenced by
andrew sullivan? huh? the last I checked none
of us is from mainstream idea.
but guess who's from the mainstream media trying
to do an andrew sullivan now....?

At 4:44 PM, Blogger marvin said...

And don't they talk about training and libel, because the best and most prolific blogger of this country -- I nominate Sassy for the honor -- writes better word for word than Alarilla and Magno combined. And Sassy can teach them about libel too.

At 7:13 PM, Blogger cathcath said...

tenks pageman.

I aree with you marvin 100 per cent.

At 7:49 PM, Blogger Apol said...

Ang luffet talaga ni Ms. Cathy!

Kung itinama na lang sana nila ang kanilang pagkakamali, matagal ng tapos yung isyu. Eh nagpipilit pa ring lumusot, lalo lang silang nababaon. hehe

Napansin nyo rin ba yung "posted by" portion sa talking points? dati na bang nandon yun or idinagdag na lang? para kasing di ko iyon napansin dati.

lahat ng entries ay posted by joey na may link sa blog nya. lumalabas, lahat ng "entries" sa talking points ("blog" daw ito) ay dumadaan muna kay joey. ang galing ng blog nila ano? hehe!

At 7:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi the cat,
amazon and ebay are not web applications but e-commerce site run by a web application more commonly called as shopping cart.

Ewan ko ba naman at bakit matigas ang ulo nila at hindi matanggap ang pagkakamali bagkus ay nais pang gawin tama. Kung hindi kaya ng IT department nila kung paano gumawa ng blog software at maglagay man lang ng comment form eh di mainam sana na hindi na lang sila gumawa ng bagong section na sinasabing hinango at nainspira ni andrew sullivan na isa rin namang blogger.

matatalino naman sila pero ginagamit ang katangahan dahil may meaning na at comparison ay hindi pa rin ma-itama ang kanilang pagkakamali.


At 1:48 AM, Blogger Sassy Lawyer said...

Naku, nakaka-blush naman, Marvin. On second thought, si Alarilla at Magno combined lang? Joke, joke, joke.

Anyway, I think it all has to do with association. Once associated with a "prestigious" (sic) organization, some people start thinking that they are better than they are. Just like a fraternity. Or being in the staff of a high-ranking public official. Of course, in essence, it is about abuse.

WE--the reading public--are getting abused because some people cannot call a spade a spade.

At 9:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You said: Following her frame of mind, I CAN DRAW THESE HYPOTHESES:

L1: All blogs are web applications
L2: Talking Points is a web application
L3: Therefore Talking Points is a blog.

Let’s take off from your HYPOTHESES.

First of all, these are not hypotheses. In Logic, L1 and L2 are called PREMISES, and L3 is the Conclusion. There is a wide channel of disparity between hypotheses and premises.

A hypothesis is a statement that has yet to be verified and needs to be proven. In the context of your deductive argument, you are actually proposing the use of premises.

Naturally, L3, which is the conclusion, is faulty because EITHER one or both of your premises could be FALSE. Recall that L3 only flows logically as a conclusion to your premises.

Remember this cute argumentation:

God is Love
Love is Blind
Therefore God is Blind.

Of course, the conclusion is faulty because there have been shifts in linguistic references. God is Blind is taken literally from premises which are in fact metaphorical. But following the truth values of the premises alone, the conclusion is—surprise, surprise!—true as it consistently follows the transitivity axiom. If a is b, and b is c, then a is c.

In the same manner, your L3 is faulty because you deliberately skewed your L2 premise to favor your argument. What Inquirer has been controversially claiming is that Talking Point is a blog. [To say that Talking point is a web application is a premise that should be understood as the conclusion reached from a previous argument, which is in fact based from the boxed statement that you have featured.] Hence you could have used their claim as your L2: Talking points is a blog. Then you’d be surprised how your conclusion will end up.

You see, the danger in posing your intelligence in a blog is that it gets read by many others who, in their passion to help set up your defense, will take your argument as logical, when sadly it is not. And you have the temerity to ask, Where is the Logic?

--trust me, I am not from the Inquirer.

At 9:27 AM, Blogger cathcath said...

To a8, I got that from wikipedia too.

To you anonymous,
That was not my reasoning. Its hers.
As I have said following her frame of mind.
Precisely,that was I was trying to show.

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